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Mar 4, 2005

Do U Know - Rape - Marital status & Age & Gender

a.Sexual intercourse between husband and wife, Without the consent of the wife
Not a rape based on the Exception to Sec.375 of the IPC

b.Sexual intercourse between husband and wife, Without the consent of the wife, during seperation, pending divorce
Rape based on Sec.376 A of the IPC But the punishment would be Maximum 2 years imprisonment and fine.

c.Sexual intercourse between a man and woman, who are husband and wife, and Without her consent, the age of the woman is above 15 years
Not a Rape based on the Exception to Sec.375 of the IPC.

d.Sexual intercourse between a man and woman, who are husband and wife, and Without her consent, the age of the woman is above 12 years and less than 15 years
Rape But the punishment would be Maximum 2 years imprisonment and a fine.

e.Sexual intercourse between a man and woman, who are NOT husband and wife, with her consent, wherein the age of the woman is less than 16 years
Rape based on 6th clause of Sec.375 of the IPC and the punishment would be Minimum 7 years, though judge has a discretion.

f.Sexual intecourse between a man and woman, who are NOT husband and wife, wherein the age of the man is less than 14 years, with the consent of Both the parties.
Not a Rape. No provision for it.

When the age of the man and woman is not mentioned, please assume it to be above 21. And need not take into account, the amendments for Manipur state. Background : IPC Sec.375 & 376

As per Indian Penal Code, which of the above cases would be rape : b,d,e

Quetzal got it right and got it right even with re. to Manipur amendments
(D - would be rape except in Manipur where the upper age limit would be 13 instead of 15. E - would be rape except in Manipur where the upper age limit would be 14 instead of 16. )



Rape-Marital Status & Age & Gender

The present law on Marital Rape is a contradiction of the unanimous resolution at the UN conference in Beijing, September '95. The resolution guarantees every woman's right to say no to sex as she wishes, specifically wives. India. had signed in the Bejieng convention to make marital rape a crime in 1994. Yet even now a married woman has no right to say no.

Even with her consent, sexual intercourse with a 15 year old girl will be rape, but even without her consent, sexual intercourse with a 15 year old girl will not be a rape, if the rapist is her husband.

Punishment for raping a wife who is 12-15 years old and for raping a wife during seperation is far less for the husband compared with any other person raping her.

Though the Child Marriage Restraint Act says the minimum age of the wife should be 18, when there is lack of punishment if the victim is above 15 or when the punishment for raping even a 12-15 year old is less, just because she is married to the rapist, the Rape laws goes against the spirit of action against Child Marriage.

Even though a man can be raped by a woman under the clauses 3,4,5 & 6 of the Sec.375, IPC, it doesnt take this factor into account.

from http://www.helplinelaw.com/bareact/bact.php?no=16b&dsp=ind-penal-code Chapter xvi : of offences affecting the human body
375. Rape
A man is said to commit "rape" who, except in the case hereinafter excepted, has sexual intercourse with a woman under circumstances falling under any of the six following descriptions:-

First- Against her will.

Secondly,- Without her consent.

Thirdly- With her consent, when her consent has been obtained by putting her or any person in whom she is interested in fear of death or of hurt.

Fourthly- With her consent, when the man knows that he is not her husband, and that her consent is given because she believes that he is another man to whom she is or believes herself to be lawfully married.

Fifthly - With her consent, when, at the time of giving such consent, by reason of unsoundness of mind or intoxication or the administration by him personally or through another of any stupefying or unwholesome substance, she is unable to understand the nature and consequences of that to which she gives consent.

Sixthly - With or without her consent, when she is under sixteen years of age.

Explanation- Penetration is sufficient to constitute the sexual intercourse necessary to the offence of rape.

Exception- Sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age, is not rape.

376A. Intercourse by a man with his wife during separation
Whoever has sexual intercourse with his own wife, who is living separately from him under a decree of separation or under any custom or usage without her consent shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years and shall also be liable to fine.

Note : I dont have any legal background and additional information, explanations,clarifications etc would be welcome.

When it was posted in o3, and when i was discussing it there, there was a discussion, in which i talked also about need for rape laws for men etc. And therefore posting the discussion in the comment section

9 comments:

  1. Looks like I will have to keep a printout of your blog before I have intercourse next time! I never new making love was so complicated.

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  2. And i thought everyone understood the difference between making love and rape.

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  3. # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 8:36 AM quetzal
    Oops!
    F - would be rape, assuming WITHOUT CONSENT of female only!

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 9:54 AM spark
    d) and e)



    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 10:54 AM wise donkey
    quetzal, i will write a seperate post on my personal opinion on rape laws.

    i have just taken 3 main factors, consent of the female,age and marriage. needless to say there are other angles too.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:07 AM Neha
    Hi! I say C and D.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:08 AM wise donkey
    i have updated it on the age when not mentioned and on the consent in case f.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:16 AM Scorcher
    Folks, C & E are Rape, have verified it too.

    However, since Gaya has mentioned that when age is not mentioned, it is 21+, then A & B also become Rape.

    However, D & F are NOT rape, because as per IPC, to be Rape, the woman needs to be 15+, AND be forced into sex without consent... if any of these fail its not rape.

    Also, F is not rape, its only a crime

    Funny (and incompetent) rules though...!!

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:27 AM Scorcher
    Hey, did some more research on this, and found this statement of Law(??) in an Article:

    i. A husband cannot be prosecuted for raping his wife because consent to matrimony presupposes consent to sexual intercourse.

    ii. Though women's rights advocates secured a legal clause in 1983 under which it is unlawful for a man to have sexual intercourse with his separated wife, pending divorce, the courts are reluctant to sentence husbands in spite of the law.

    iii. According to section 375 of the Indian Penal Code, "sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, not being under 15 years of age, is not rape." On the other hand, the Criminal Procedure Code states that `it is rape if the girl is not the wife of the man involved and is below 16!’ Which means that if the girl is not the wife of the man involved and is below 16, it is rape even if she consents. Whereas if she is a wife and below 15 years of age, it is not rape even if she does not consent.

    So, if we go by this, then ONLY "E" seems to be considered rape. Check the link http://www.womenexcel.com/law/maritalrape.htm for Info on this..


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:29 AM quetzal
    WiseD,
    :)
    Am aware you highlighted 3 issues and not all - hence added a couple of issues which too are counter-intuitive. Most people are likely to get the answers wrong (on your questions as well as mine) if they answer as per their conscience and not after referring to the laws. Hence the loopholes...
    No offense to the contents of your posts or to your choice of issues and hence the disclaimer in PostScript in the previous comment! :) Have no doubts about your opinion on the subject even before your future post! :)


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:29 AM wgaf
    afaik, the penal code mentions "minor" and not if its a minor who is female etc.,

    so Sexual intercourse between boy(<18) and woman(18+) is rape, of the boy.

    also, the age for consent to be legal is 18, not 16.






    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:38 AM quetzal
    F - is not rape. (with consent etc)

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:41 AM Neha
    I think that the answer is D and maybe E

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:42 AM Neha
    no not E anymore because it allows consent of the woman

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:47 AM amita
    i vote for d, e, f



    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:48 AM idiot
    quetzal copied and pasted it frm the website

    am with him

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:01 PM downtoearth
    I think...its e and f....by the way Good Morning g3....have a great day ahead.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:01 PM wise donkey
    idiot , give the website link then :D

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:03 PM wise donkey
    downtoearth thanks:) hope u have a wonderful day too

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:07 PM wgaf
    donkey, sorry, Never been close enough to quote the numbers. anyway, lets see if the law ministry allows online access.


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:09 PM wgaf
    btw - it should be different for each religion isnt it? Civil laws are different - and since marriage gets mixed in somewhere, religion prolly comes into play?

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:11 PM quetzal
    Hey WiseD,
    You are right of course - but hey the questions were not for you!! :) The quiz master always knows the answers. The questions were for the rest of the readers.


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:11 PM wgaf
    divorce granted for fornication?! gee, the law is certainly an ass, and def'ly not a smart ass.
    (THE PARSI MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE ACT, 1936)

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:28 PM wgaf
    ok, the damn thing cant be searched for easily. why couldnt the idiots put a google link? X-(.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:37 PM wise donkey
    wgaf , there are sites which give bareacts, and if what u say is from IPC you can check http://www.helplinelaw.com

    quetzal, please what i know about law is just based on what i read, (and my readings need not be comprehensive)

    (even i am poring over the various marriage acts wgaf but the child marriage restraint act clearly mentions 18 for women and 21 for men.

    but the background for rape is essentially Offense affecting the human body of the IPC.


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:43 PM wgaf
    donkey.

    I was searching the Govt. of India sites. and yes, they do give 'bare' Acts. But I want the Google search option. (hmm, come to think of it, I should prolly use the goo-bar)

    h ttp://indiaimage.nic.in/
    h ttp://goidirectory.nic.in/

    why check any other source, when you have this?

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 12:44 PM wgaf
    marriage, yes. 18 and 21. but I think for rape, a minor is a minor - is les than 18, not quite 16 as put over there - anyways, never mind, I dint think it was an objective q.!!

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:04 PM wise donkey
    wgaf, as i said, when it comes to rape, we mainly have Offense affecting the human body of the IPC.

    to my knowledge what u said is incorrect. if u say it does, then please give the relevant sections.


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:27 PM Mausmi
    (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f) - ALL - Will be waiting for the answer 0 since I m not very sure. But I think all shld be included in the category of rape.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:38 PM xxx
    all

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:49 PM wise donkey
    bye for the day (slightly tired so no more bloggin today)

    will write the answers - to my knowledge tommorrow.

    please note that i am no lawyer or expert on these issues.

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:50 PM wise donkey
    have a nice weekend all:)

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 1:52 PM Scorcher
    You too Enjoy Maddii.... :-)

    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 3:32 PM quetzal
    WiseD, Wgaf,
    WiseD appears to be right when referring to IPC over child marriage restraints act with regards to 'rape'


    # re: Do U Know 3/4/2005 11:06 PM leon_nerd
    I m not through marital rape laws. Sorry.

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 10:59 AM downtoearth
    G3 good morning...
    Hey i was trying to figure out from where i can upload a picture in my post....but coulnt get....can u guide..or someone knows can help me....

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 11:40 AM Busybee
    All of the above would be classified as rape. :)

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 11:42 AM wise donkey
    downtoearth will tell u in ur post

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 1:22 PM max
    hmmmm my comment was deleted.

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 1:23 PM max
    but i asked a technical Q. g3. what is the answer to my Q

    # re: Do U Know 3/5/2005 2:28 PM wise donkey
    max intercourse between human and animals has another section in IPC.

    i am aware u would think of it as an intercouse between an animal and of someone lesser than animal.

    u will have to ask the blue cross not me, but to my knowledge no law exists.

    # re: Do U Know 3/6/2005 11:26 AM xxx
    again wrong

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:33 AM Scorcher
    gaya, are U sure D is Rape, because as per http://www.womenexcel.com/law/maritalrape.htm : "Whereas if she is a wife and below 15 years of age, it is not rape even if she does not consent."

    what ya say....??

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:40 AM xxx
    I am more worried about quetzal's 2nd question

    in both the cases, are'nt both commiting adultry?

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:44 AM wise donkey
    I have given the relevant IPC for your reference.
    I went to that site, they have also quoted IPC but have not understood simple English. what the womenexcel website says is
    ============================================
    "According to section 375 of the Indian Penal Code, "sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, not being under 15 years of age, is not rape." On the other hand, the Criminal Procedure Code states that `it is rape if the girl is not the wife of the man involved and is below 16!’ Which means that if the girl is not the wife of the man involved and is below 16, it is rape even if she consents. Whereas if she is a wife and below 15 years of age, it is not rape even if she does not consent

    ===============================
    The person who wrote the article in that website, obviously doesnt understand English and fails to understand the meaning of "sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, not being under 15 years of age, is not rape."
    there are 2 nots. not under 15 , not a rape.



    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:50 AM wise donkey
    i have brought the error to that website's notice too. and would suggest u do that too. to prevent them from misleading people.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:52 AM wise donkey
    xxx :) thats why quetzal asked the question. So what do u think IPC says on that.

    I answered the question, but quetzal said it wasnt for me so i deleted it.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 11:56 AM xxx
    gaya
    the first question's answer shud be the same for the men as well as the women I guess


    but the second qs I always end up arguing about. Acc to me , in both cases, both commit adultry

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:04 PM xxx
    WD
    A

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:15 PM wise donkey
    re.adultery my personal opinion, i think its too outdated. let it be grounds for divorce, but why make it criminal and that too depending on gender.

    xxx A hmmm :)

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:17 PM wise donkey
    for those who want to read the relevant sections, its written with white color font, so to read it , right click and select all.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:30 PM xxx
    WD
    hmmmmm

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:38 PM rpramod
    If what u have quoted in the answers is IPC, then i am amused that D is considered rape.

    Logic tells me that when there is consent from both sides, the question of rape does not arise.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:39 PM rpramod
    If what u have quoted in the answers is IPC, then i am amused that D is considered rape.

    Logic tells me that when there is consent from both sides, the question of rape does not arise.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 12:46 PM spark
    i got two correct , guess u sud have mentioned my name also :D

    But if marriage of a girl less than 18 years old is illegal how come there is a law pertaining to the husband of a wife 12-15 years, seems contradictory.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:47 PM wise donkey
    pramod, if its a 30 year old and a 13 year old girl, surely even if its with her consent, its a rape?

    but i think a rational and fair attitude would be to have a specific age either 14 15 or 16 below which it would rape even with consent for girls and boys.

    and relook on the possibility of rape in as per clause 3 4 5 6 atleast for men.

    and make marital rape a crime.

    and have a uniform law as punishment for rape.

    and its ridiculous that when we say 18 is min age for girl, a person can get away with raping her just because he is married to her.

    this is just from the angle of age marital status and gender. there are other points in rape laws which require amendment according to many which i have not discussed here.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:52 PM rpramod
    Gaya : If the girl is a minor, an intercourse is a crime, but that crime should not be termed rape, for that will defeat the meaning of rape which is - "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse." (dictionary.com)

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 12:54 PM wise donkey
    spark, sorry this time it was a yes or no answer so didnt take into account partial right.

    spark agree with u re.marriage and age and thats why this post. its utterly ridiculous. and if its so ambiguous can we imagine any 14 year old girl being aware of it and complainin to police about rape by her husband.

    to sanction rape is a big blow when we dont approve of child marriage.
    but if the law simply states that anyone having intercourse with or without consent with a PERSON who is less than 15 years old is a crime then wont it deter child marriage?




    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:00 PM wise donkey
    pramod nowhere in the world is rape term defined by dictionary for legal action.
    its defined by law.

    if u read the IPC u will see where it could be without force and still a rape.

    2 weeks back saw a prg about a woman in u.s being labelled a sexual offender and imprisoned for having consensual sex with a 12 year old boy.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 1:02 PM spark
    Yes, I think that wud be a good appraoch to stop child marriage. Having sex with anyone less than 15 year old sud be a crime.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:03 PM wise donkey
    pramod,spark the wisedonkey question in this post??

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:05 PM rpramod
    gaya : guess its one of those paradoxes where the legal meaning differes from the dictionary meaning.

    But then thats what law is - (mis)interpretation of situations ;);):D

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:07 PM rpramod
    answer to wisedonkey Q is - YES.



    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 1:14 PM spark
    oh the answer is a.) btw i dont understand why u ask that question? The post is not so difficult to understand.
    hmmm, i guess u dont much faith in our mental capacities :))

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:22 PM wise donkey
    :)) spark no that was not the reason. it has nothing to do my faith re. others mental abilities but rather to do with my doubts over my communication abilities.


    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:24 PM wise donkey
    Mary Kay Letourneau, 42, was freed recently from a women's state prison near Gig Harbor after serving a seven-year sentence for child rape.
    Letourneau was a 34-year-old elementary school teacher in suburban Des Moines, Washington, and a married mother of four in 1996 when her friendship with the then-12-year-old Fualaau became sexual.
    When Letourneau was arrested in 1997, she was already pregnant with Fualaau's daughter. A judge sentenced her to six months for second-degree child rape, and ordered her to stay away from Fualaau.

    A month after her release, however, Letourneau was caught having sex with Fualaau in her car. She was sent to prison for 71/2 years, and gave birth to Fualaau's second daughter behind bars.

    As a sex offender, Letourneau will have to register with the state and receive court-ordered treatment. Authorities will notify her new neighbors about her history.

    for more : http://www.canadiancrc.com/articles/AP_Letourneau_released_from_prison_04AUG04.htm


    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 1:25 PM wise donkey
    this was the story i was earlier referrin to where a woman in USA was punished for having consensual sex with a 12 year old boy.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 1:29 PM spark
    I heard that Letourneau is going to marry that boy. But I think the punishment was a bit too harsh on the lady.

    And ur communication abilities are good, u needn't doubt it.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 2:06 PM xxx
    one small question, is this lady still married ?

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 2:11 PM spark
    no she isn't.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 2:18 PM wise donkey
    spark thanks:)

    Would like to point out to all bloggers that I dont have any legal background. and addtional information, clarification etc will be welcomed.

    xxx to my knowledge she was divorced from her first husband and she has not yet married that student. i pointed that case merely to illustrate that elsewhere in the world even if there is consent, there is an age limit for even boys.


    spark personally i dont think the punishment is harsh, if she broke the law 2nd time surely she should be punished severely. sure the boy consented, but if the situation had been about a 12 year old girl, would u say the sentence as harsh?

    what if it had been a 30 year old man who had sexual relations with a 12 year old boy, with his consent. would we still say the sentence as harsh.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 2:22 PM xxx
    I agree, consent or no consent, doing it with a minor is a crime.

    But gaya, you said she was a married mother of 4 kids ??

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 2:32 PM spark
    g3,

    Actaully, I think the situation is diffrent for boy and girl. and applying the same set of laws in all situations is not fair,
    What I think is a adult man having sex with a 12 year girl or 12 year old boy is differnt from the above case. I agree that she was against the law but 7+ year imprisionment is too much.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 3:04 PM wise donkey
    xxx married but divorced.

    spark the consequences and emotional turmoil might be different. but it can differ from person to person too.
    kids should be protected.

    the 7+ year i gather was given when she did it again after the first imprisonment and when specifically told to keep away from him

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 3:10 PM wise donkey
    spark she also had couple of kids,with him. do u think its fair for a 12 year old to become a parent?

    i agree that its worse when a 12 year old girl becomes preg.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 4:10 PM spark
    G3,

    U r right, it was not right of her to do so, But somehow I feel she was treated unfairly, she cud have been a given a couple of years of imprisionment or house arrest.
    And what abt the boys parents? they sud have stopped the boy.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 4:16 PM wise donkey
    spark,
    again will we say the same if its a girl?
    she is a teacher, must be aware of the laws and if she did it 2nd time around, i dont have any sympathy for her.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 4:28 PM spark
    No, Its a different matter altogether in case of a girl.
    Okay maybe I feel bad for her coz she had a couple of kids with him and she had to give birth in a jail.
    But I dont think that case is likely to happen in India, We better plug the loopholes in the current laws .


    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 4:35 PM wise donkey
    spark, i agree that the % is probably going to be less in India. but that doesnt mean we shouldnt have equality in law.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 5:07 PM quetzal
    WiseD,
    Good discussion!
    Your comment of 12:15 makes a lot of sense...
    Could you please add a third option to my second question namely -
    a married man and a married woman have consensual sex.

    Thanks. ONly xxx seems to be worried - no one else! :D

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 5:17 PM wise donkey
    i think quetzal u mean married man and married woman have consensual sex , but they are not married to each other :)



    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 5:28 PM spark
    :))))g3,

    quetzel,

    Big ommision, :D

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 5:36 PM wise donkey
    :)) yeah spark.

    spark u can try answering quetzal's questions too:)

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 5:43 PM spark
    Okay,

    Ans1> This question is not clear, do I replace girl for boy for every case mentioned by you.

    Ans2> Whomsoever is married is guilty in all cases. guess no one can accuse an unmarried person of adultry.


    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 5:46 PM xxx
    did i hear someone call out my name

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 5:49 PM xxx
    Ok, thats my query,
    if an unmarried person has sex with an unmarried person,
    why shud only the married person be commiting adultry,

    why not the unmarried person

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 5:53 PM spark
    xxx,

    Read the definition of adultry.

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 5:53 PM wise donkey
    i think i will remove question 1. since i have already given the answer:)
    quetzal wants the IPC on it

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:03 PM wise donkey
    :)) xxx that was ur question,

    sure quetzal didnt think of that:))

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:10 PM xxx
    Spark
    I know what the defination is.

    And my point is, It shud be changed in such a way that both become adulterers

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:11 PM xxx
    gaya did not follow 6.03 comment

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Ge 3/6/2005 6:17 PM spark
    xxx,

    Read ur question man

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:19 PM wise donkey
    to commit adultery one has to be married and have an affair outside the marriage.

    if one of them is unmarried, how can it be made adultery

    i think what u mean to say is that the punishment should be same....

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:23 PM xxx
    read

    No, i mean they shud change the meaning of adultry

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 6:58 PM wise donkey
    and what should the new meanin be??

    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 7:50 PM idiot
    a) yes

    # re: Do U Know - Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/6/2005 8:02 PM Sunny
    Quetzal, Gaya....I think, according to the present law, only a man can be prosecuted for the offence of adultery with the woman being granted immunity from proceedings on account of her position in society (child marriage and polygamy might have figured in this consideration...). But I think there was a committee that recently tried to redress this gender bias in the law, by recommending similar treatment of both men and women in such cases.

    I think another anomaly in the law allows husbands to initiate cases against'adulterous' wives, but not the other way round...






    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/7/2005 6:31 PM subhash
    all of u out here ::::

    in my personal opinion "all unconsented sexual activities bet man and woman are rape".. there shd be only one law out here that if there is is a rape then the only punishment is "Catastation of the sexual organs" no matter whoever the accused is (male or female)



    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/7/2005 6:42 PM subhash
    errata : Catastation = catastration

    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/7/2005 7:11 PM wise donkey
    subash i think u mean castration. and castration for women??
    well that depends on how effective the judiciary is. dont think we can go with that sort of thing.

    but if a law comes for child rapists along that line, i wont protest against it either

    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/7/2005 9:01 PM subhash
    wise donkey...

    sorry for the typo but thats the way i feel

    for a rape the only punishment can be removal of genitals... and too a capital punishment....

    a rape is a rape --- all said and done, nothing more nothing less

    the form of the rape dosent matter (child rapes, marital rapes, etc)
    the law dosent matter (penal codes and etc.)

    now females raping males are probably 1% and male rapists probably 99%...

    the reason being that hardly any males refuse a female body... exceptions might be there but their percentage is very less probably 3% or so.


    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/8/2005 10:17 AM wise donkey
    subhash our legal system could issue an arrest warrant for Dr.Kalam for rs.10000
    how can we be sure that it will not be misused.
    if u go thru the rape verdicts, even getting 7 years punishment is tough.

    To give an example
    In Mohd.Habib Vs State7, the Delhi High Court allowed a rapist to go scot-free merely because there were no marks of injury on his penis- which the High Court presumed was a indication of no resistance. The most important facts such as the age of the victim (being seven years) and that she had suffered a ruptured hymen and the bite marks on her body were not considered by the High Court. Even the eye- witnesses who witnessed this ghastly act, could not sway the High Court’s judgment.

    # re: Do U Know - India Rape Laws Marital Status Age Gender 3/12/2005 4:15 PM wisedonkey
    the Habib eg from
    http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/rape_laws.htm

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  4. hi im a 16 yr old girl who despises the unequal treatment meted out to girls.i wish 2 make a difference big or small n make da future better.i wuld like 2 know if there is any way to force the govt 2 review the acts by means of petitions perhaps?if there is please let me know at tripthimanghnani@yahoo.co.in thanks.
    P.S keep up d grt work!!

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  5. if i come across a specific petition i will let you know. you can always write about this in letters to editor to get the media to give the issue more importance:)

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  6. can i link your post in mine

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  7. sure you can:)
    thanks for the other comments on aargh series too:)

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  8. Some wise man said, "The difference between Rape and Seduction is Better Salesmanship!!"

    But why don't they make marriages below the legal age as completely illeagal and a criminal offence, the question of a husband having sex with conscent or without it with a 14 year old girl does not even arise, then.

    Pramod

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  9. i think it can be compared more to stealing vs possessing

    actually its illegal under child marriage, yet it happens..

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